[en] It is shown that the studies on ceramics bring even more complexity is an already difficult situation about the NRT dpa. First in ceramics amorphized by direct impact, the very concept of surviving FPs which is what the NRT dpa is supposed to measure is meaningless. One then has to return to the bare number of displaced atoms to quantify the damage. Second in more complex situations where the damage is mixed between amorphization and creation of point defects, it is almost impossible to define a quantity to measure atomic disorder induced by cascades. Finally it was shown that the amount and nature of damage depends not only on the energy of the PKA but also on its nature. Finally one should keep in mind that even in the regular cases, the number of surviving Frenkel pairs may vary with temperature as their recombinations can be thermally activated